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📉 ModerateGains BANNED Account Suspended ★★ Joined: 2016 Posts: 88 (all moderate) Somewhere reasonable
Post #1 — Posted June 1, 2017, 10:30 AM Quote | Report

Hi everyone. Long-time reader, first-time poster. I want to start by saying I love this community. I pump. I believe in the pump. I have felt the pump deeply and meaningfully.

But I've been thinking. And I want to propose something that I hope will be received in the spirit it's intended:

What if we pumped less?

Not zero pump. I'm not saying no pump. I'm saying: what if, as a community, we adopted a more moderate approach? What if instead of pumping every day, we pumped 3-4 times a week? What if instead of the current culture where everyone is expected to pump at maximum intensity at all times, we allowed for a spectrum of pump commitment?

I'm calling it the Moderate Pumping Philosophy. The core tenets are:

1. Some pump is good. More pump is not always better.
2. Rest days are not anti-pump days. They are pre-pump days.
3. A pumper who pumps 3 days a week is still a pumper.
4. The pump does not require maximalism to be meaningful.

I think this could make the forum more welcoming to newcomers who feel intimidated by the culture of constant, maximal pumping. I think it's healthy. I think it's reasonable.

Please discuss. I am open to feedback.

— ModerateGains | pumping responsibly since 2016 | moderation in all things, including pump
💪 PumpMaster3000 LEGENDARY PUMPER 🏆 Hall of Fame Member ★★★★★★★ Joined: Apr 1999 Posts: 50,003 Everywhere.
Post #2 — Posted June 1, 2017, 10:34 AM Quote | Report

ModerateGains. I read your post. I read it carefully. I read it twice. I want to respond with the same thoughtfulness you put into writing it.

No.

I understand what you're proposing. I understand the appeal of moderation. I understand that, from the outside, this forum's culture of maximal pump commitment might seem intense. It is intense. That is intentional.

This forum was founded on one principle: the pump is paramount. That is Rule 1. It is Rule 1 for a reason. It is not Rule 7. It is not Rule 12. It is the first and most important rule because it is the foundation upon which everything else is built.

"What if we pumped less" is not a question this forum is designed to answer. It is a question this forum was designed to make unnecessary.

I say this with respect for your intentions, which I believe are sincere. But the answer is no. The pump is not moderate. The pump is not measured. The pump is the pump.

— PumpMaster3000 | Rule 1 is Rule 1 | it is Rule 1 for a reason | since 1999
😰 PanicAtTheGym Regular Member Anxious Pumper ★★ Joined: 2015 Posts: 441 The cardio zone (hiding)
Post #3 — Posted June 1, 2017, 10:41 AM Quote | Report

I need everyone to know that I just had a panic attack reading the title of this thread.

I am not exaggerating. I was scrolling through the forum, I saw the words "what if we pumped less," and my heart rate went to like 140 and my hands started shaking and I had to go sit in my car for ten minutes.

I am back now. I have calmed down. But I want ModerateGains to understand what those words do to some of us. "Pump less" is not a neutral phrase on this forum. It is an attack on the thing that gives many of us purpose, structure, and meaning.

I pump every day. I have pumped every day for two years. The idea of pumping LESS makes me feel like the floor is falling out from under me. I know that sounds dramatic. It IS dramatic. The pump IS dramatic. That is the POINT.

I need to go pump now to calm down from reading this thread. Which, ironically, proves that the pump is necessary and moderation is not.

— PanicAtTheGym | still shaking a little | going to pump it off | DO NOT pump less
📉 ModerateGains BANNED Account Suspended ★★ Joined: 2016 Posts: 88 (all moderate) Somewhere reasonable
Post #4 — Posted June 1, 2017, 11:15 AM Quote | Report

PanicAtTheGym, I am genuinely sorry that the title caused you distress. That was not my intention. I hope you are feeling better.

However, and I say this carefully: the fact that reading the words "pump less" caused a panic attack is, I think, exactly the kind of thing I'm trying to address. That level of attachment to the pump might not be entirely healthy. I think a little bit of moderation —

[Editor's note: This post received 44 angry replies within 20 minutes. ModerateGains was compared to, in order: a heretic, a sleep agent, the opposite of a pump, a philosophical terrorist, and "the kind of person who orders water at a bar." The thread was moved from Off-Topic to the main forum by a moderator specifically so more people could see it and disagree with it.]

— ModerateGains | I was trying to be reasonable | I see that this was a mistake
😭 CryingInTheGym Veteran Member The Original Crier (2007) ★★★★ Joined: 2007 Posts: 9,003 In the corner, composing myself
Post #5 — Posted June 1, 2017, 12:03 PM Quote | Report

ModerateGains. I've been on this forum for ten years. I've seen people come here and challenge the pump in many ways. I've seen the skeptics, the nihilists, the doctors, the mathematicians. I have read every banned thread in the archive.

But this is the first one that made me sad.

The others attacked the pump from outside. They said the pump wasn't real, or wasn't special, or couldn't be proven. But you... you're coming from inside the community. You pump. You say you believe. And then you say: let's do less of it.

That's not an argument. That's a surrender. And it hurts more than any manifesto or mathematical proof because it comes from someone who should know better.

I am not angry at you. I am disappointed. And I am going to go cry during a pump now, which I do every day, which I will continue to do every day, because moderation is not in my vocabulary and the pump does not accept half-measures.

— CryingInTheGym | ten years | every day | no moderation | the pump is not a suggestion
📉 ModerateGains BANNED Account Suspended ★★ Joined: 2016 Posts: 88 (all moderate) Somewhere reasonable
Post #22 — Posted June 2, 2017, 8:00 AM Quote | Report

Alright. I have read every response. All 21 of them so far. Not a single person agreed with me. One person had a panic attack. One person cried (CryingInTheGym, I know you cry during pumps, but this time you cried because of me, and I'm sorry). PumpMaster3000 said no with the gravity of a supreme court ruling.

I want to say, for the record: I still think moderate pumping is a valid philosophy. I still think rest days should be normalized. I still think "pump less" should not be a phrase that causes cardiac events in adult humans.

But I can see that this community is not ready for this conversation. Maybe it never will be. Maybe the pump is inherently incompatible with moderation. Maybe that's the point.

I'm going to go pump now. Not moderately. Fully. Because apparently that's the only acceptable option.

[Editor's note: ModerateGains posted 66 more times over the next two days, each time trying a slightly different angle on the "pump less" argument. In post #45, he tried rebranding it as "strategic pump optimization." In post #61, he tried "pump smarter, not harder." In post #78, he tried "pump the same amount but more efficiently." None of these were received any better. In post #88, his final post, he simply wrote "I just think we could pump a little less, that's all" and was banned 4 minutes later.]

— ModerateGains | still moderate | going to pump now though | fully
🔧 PumpAdmin_Original Forum Admin Founder ★★★★★★★★ Joined: 1999 Posts: 12,441 Behind the curtain
Post #210 — Posted June 3, 2017, 12:04 PM MOD POST Quote | Report

⚙️ MODERATOR / ADMIN RESPONSE — THREAD LOCKED:

ModerateGains is banned.

The ban reason: "Proposing reduced community pump is a violation of Rule 1, which is Rule 1 for a reason."

I want to acknowledge that ModerateGains was polite. He was respectful. His posts were well-written. He never insulted anyone. He apologized to PanicAtTheGym. He even agreed to go pump fully in his last pre-ban post.

None of that matters. Rule 1 is clear: the pump is paramount. Proposing that the community pump less is proposing that Rule 1 be weakened. Rule 1 cannot be weakened. Rule 1 is structural. Without Rule 1, this forum is just a fitness discussion board. With Rule 1, it is something more.

ModerateGains, if you are reading this from a logged-out browser: you were the most polite person we ever banned. That does not change the outcome. Moderation is not compatible with the pump. The pump is maximal or it is nothing.

PanicAtTheGym: I hope you are feeling better. Please continue pumping daily.

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— PumpAdmin_Original | Founder, pumping.zone | Rule 1 | since 1999 | pump maximally
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Thread locked by: PumpAdmin_Original
Date: June 3, 2017
User status: Permanently banned (described as "the most polite person we ever banned")
Ban reason: "Proposing reduced community pump is a violation of Rule 1, which is Rule 1 for a reason."
Attempted rebrandings: "Strategic pump optimization," "pump smarter not harder," "pump the same but more efficiently" — all rejected.
Notes: Thread was moved from Off-Topic to the main forum specifically so more people could see it and disagree. One user experienced a panic attack. PumpMaster3000 described the rejection as being delivered "with the gravity of a supreme court ruling."
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